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Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by cimt
1. Can Kelly actually die and can you "date" her?
2. What's this Morinth business?
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Spoiler:
Yes, Kelly is the first to die if you take too long launching the suicide mission after the crew have been kidnapped. If you faff about after the kidnap, instead of going straight through the Omega 4 Relay, then you see Kelly get liquified instead of Lilith the Horizon colonist.
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You cannot have an actual "relationship" with her, unlike the love interests in your squad. But, if you flirt with her enough during the game, and she does not die, then you can invite her to your cabin post-credits whenever you want (providing you haven't romanced anyone else). She will dance for you (in one of those asari poledancer outfits), sit on your lap, or snuggle up on the bed with you. Flirting with Kelly doesn't count as full-on cheating, as your ME1 love interest's photo remains up in your cabin (unlike if you romance a squadmate), but you do get Renegade points the first time you have her round for dinner if you already have an ME1 love interest. She's just a fling... and I believe also a bit of a slapper... I'd put money on it being Kelly being responsible for bringing the varren STD on board LOL!
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If you choose to kill Samara instead of Morinth, Morinth joins your crew in Samara's place (& is loyal). You can be intimate with her after the suicide mission... however there's the slight problem in that, being a deadly asari succubus, it kills you...
Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by Matt D
1.
Spoiler:
Yes, Kelly is the first to die if you take too long launching the suicide mission after the crew have been kidnapped. If you faff about after the kidnap, instead of going straight through the Omega 4 Relay, then you see Kelly get liquified instead of Lilith the Horizon colonist.
Spoiler:
You cannot have an actual "relationship" with her, unlike the love interests in your squad. But, if you flirt with her enough during the game, and she does not die, then you can invite her to your cabin post-credits whenever you want (providing you haven't romanced anyone else). She will dance for you (in one of those asari poledancer outfits), sit on your lap, or snuggle up on the bed with you. Flirting with Kelly doesn't count as full-on cheating, as your ME1 love interest's photo remains up in your cabin (unlike if you romance a squadmate), but you do get Renegade points the first time you have her round for dinner if you already have an ME1 love interest. She's just a fling... and I believe also a bit of a slapper... I'd put money on it being Kelly being responsible for bringing the varren STD on board LOL!
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Spoiler:
If you choose to kill Samara instead of Morinth, Morinth joins your crew in Samara's place (& is loyal). You can be intimate with her after the suicide mission... however there's the slight problem in that, being a deadly asari succubus, it kills you...
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Where is the choice between them? I never had that choice...
Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by Damien
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Where is the choice between them? I never had that choice...
You should have
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When Samara bursts into Morinth's apartment & they fight, you should have the option to choose "Kill Morinth" (Paragon) or "Kill Samara" (Renegade).
Perhaps it depends on how you faired while talking to Morinth before Samara arrived? I didn't let her hypnotise me, & just used the relevant left-hand dialogue options during the conversation.
Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
I've only played it through once but reading this thread is making me want to fire it up again. Only problem is I have to many games now and in the comming weeks. I really do feel like playing this again though.
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Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by Matt D
I saved Kelly both times. Did you invite her to your cabin after the end?
How many did you save?
I'm trying to hold off on starting run 3...
All but Jacob and Zaeed
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The first time Jack also died, I think because i chose her to provide the shield against the bugs whereas the second time I chose Samara, first time the Geth died as well - I can't remember what my choice was for him. Both times I saved the crew inc Kelly
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On the second playthrough I went and explored all of the star systems, including the ones you can get the star charts for in Illium, there are many extra side quests (and reward credits) to be found if you take the time. I had every upgrade apart from 1 Skin Weave - I'm still unsure if this improved the survival chances on the suicide mission of your team mates
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Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by icestar2
I've only played it through once but reading this thread is making me want to fire it up again. Only problem is I have to many games now and in the comming weeks. I really do feel like playing this again though.
I'm very tempted to start my third run, but feel I should really play something else first.
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Originally Posted by icestar2
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LOL, not even close. I know someone who's already completed it four times, & if you look at the BioWare Social forums you'll see people far far more into it than me.
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Originally Posted by Graham M
All but Jacob and Zaeed
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The first time Jack also died, I think because i chose her to provide the shield against the bugs whereas the second time I chose Samara, first time the Geth died as well - I can't remember what my choice was for him. Both times I saved the crew inc Kelly
and
Spoiler:
On the second playthrough I went and explored all of the star systems, including the ones you can get the star charts for in Illium, there are many extra side quests (and reward credits) to be found if you take the time. I had every upgrade apart from 1 Skin Weave - I'm still unsure if this improved the survival chances on the suicide mission of your team mates
OK, Suicide Mission Survival (for anyone, not just you)
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First off, you need to get the three key ship upgrades you get via talking to your team-members: Armour (Jacob), Main Gun (Garrus), Shielding (Tali). One team-member will die for each of these upgrades not installed (IIRC it's one during the Oculus attack (if no armour), one during the passage through the debris field (if no shield), & one during the battle with the Collector ship (if no gun)). I think you should also get the unique tech/weapon upgrades (Mordin's Omni-Tool, Jack's Biotic Amp, Grunt's Shotgun, Legion's Sniper Rifle) some team-members have as this may affect their survival chances if you leave them to "Hold.The.Line" at the end, although I'm not sure. Regardless, it doesn't cost much to buy/research every possible team-member upgrade, whether personal or ship. EDIT: Actually, as v0id points out below, Jack's upgrade is probably essential if you choose to use her for the Biotic Shield.
Second, you need to, at a minimum, make sure that everyone used as a Specialist is Loyal and is correct for the job, and make sure that your squad for the final section (boss section) are all Loyal. I think it is actually possible to keep everybody alive with only four Loyal team-members*. Although it's better & easier to have everybody be Loyal.
If a Specialist is wrong for the job, or is not Loyal, then they (or someone else depending on the section) will die.
If anyone in your final squad is not Loyal, they will die at the end after you kill the boss.
Specialist choices:
The Vents (Tech Specialist) - This must be either a Loyal Tali or a Loyal Legion. A non-loyal Tali/Legion will die. Anyone other than a Loyal Tali/Legion will die.
2nd Fireteam Leader during the vent section - This must be a Loyal Garrus/Miranda/Jacob. A non-loyal Garrus/Miranda/Jacob will cause the Tech Specialist in the vents to die (even if a Loyal Tali/Legion). Anyone other than a Loyal Garrus/Miranda/Jacob will cause the Tech Specialist in the vents to die (even if a Loyal Tali/Legion).
Biotic Shield (Biotic Specialist) - This must be either a Loyal Jack or a Loyal Samara/Morinth. A non-loyal Jack/Samara/Morinth will cause one of your squad to be taken by the seeker swarms near the end. Anyone other than a Loyal Jack/Samara/Morinth will cause one of your squad to be taken by the seeker swarms near the end.
2nd Fireteam Leader during the Biotic Shield section - This must be a Loyal Garrus/Miranda/Jacob. A non-loyal Garrus/Miranda/Jacob will die. Anyone other than a Loyal Garrus/Miranda/Jacob will die.
Crew Escort - Any Loyal team-member. A non-Loyal Escort will die. However, it is best to use a Loyal "squishy" character for Escort duty, such as Mordin, Tali, or Jack, as they have a lower chance than other characters of surviving during the "Hold.The.Line" section (when everyone else defends the door while you face the boss). Mordin's the best choice, as he actually has the lowest "Hold.The.Line" survival score. One or both of the other squishies can be guaranteed surviving by using them in your final squad, although should still survive Holding The Line if you have your best defenders (Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed) Holding The Line.
Your final Squad - Must be Loyal for them to survive. Don't take Garrus/Grunt/Zaeed as they are best left at the door Holding The Line.
*[e.g. Loyal Tali in the Vents. Loyal Miranda to lead the 2nd Fireteam both times. Loyal Jack to make the Biotic Shield. Loyal Mordin for the Crew Escort. For the final battle, use Tali & Jack in your squad (both "squishy"), & let everyone else (including Loyal Miranda) Hold The Line. Your squad survives due to being Loyal. Mordin survives due to being a Loyal Escort. Miranda being Loyal has a higher chance of surviving Holding The Line. Garrus, Grunt, & Zaeed kick ass Holding The Line even though not Loyal. Others Holding The Line should still live. I think........]
Crew Survival:
To save the crew, you must go through the Omega 4 Relay immediately after the crew kidnap sequence (the so-called "Joker mission"). If you do any missions in between, the crew will die, starting with Kelly. You must also then choose to send someone to Escort the crew back during the suicide mission - Loyal Mordin is best, but any Loyal character will do.
Best order to do things near the end:
Do all available Recruitment & Loyalty missions prior to doing the Derelict Reaper IFF mission. Also either do all N7 missions prior to the Derelict Reaper or save them until after the end of the game. Don't do any after the Derelict Reaper and before the end.
After the Derelict Reaper, immediately activate Legion & then talk to him, to obtain his Loyalty mission.
Go to the galaxy map & go off & do Legion's Loyalty mission.
The next time you go to the Galaxy Map, it will trigger the crew kidnap.
After the crew kidnap, head off to the Omega 4 Relay.
If you activate the Galaxy Map after the Derelict Reaper without having any active missions in your Journal, it will trigger the crew kidnap.
It is possible to do two missions after the Derelict Reaper & before the crew kidnap, so long as both missions are in your Journal before hitting the Galaxy Map after the Derelict Reaper. So it is actually possible to do both Tali's Loyalty mission and Legion's Loyalty mission after the Derelict Reaper and before the crew kidnap, if they're both in your journal before hitting the Map post-Derelict Reaper... meaning you can take Legion on Tali's Loyalty mission, which is quite interesting
Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by Graham M
All but Jacob and Zaeed
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The first time Jack also died, I think because i chose her to provide the shield against the bugs whereas the second time I chose Samara, first time the Geth died as well - I can't remember what my choice was for him. Both times I saved the crew inc Kelly
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You have to have Jack loyal, and have researched her biotic upgrade (by speaking to her about it) to make sure she surives the shield.
On my first playthrough, I saved everyone except Kelly (and Jack did the shield for me)
I think it must've been because I went off and did Legions loyalty mission before entering the Omega 4 relay
I'm still about two thirds of the way through my second playthrough on insanity, the bloomin' platform battle on the collector ship was a right 'ole pain in the arse
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Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by v0id
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You have to have Jack loyal, and have researched her biotic upgrade (by speaking to her about it) to make sure she surives the shield.
On my first playthrough, I saved everyone except Kelly (and Jack did the shield for me)
I think it must've been because I went off and did Legions loyalty mission before entering the Omega 4 relay
I'm still about two thirds of the way through my second playthrough on insanity, the bloomin' platform battle on the collector ship was a right 'ole pain in the arse
Spoiler:
You can do Legion's Loyalty mission before Omega 4 & still save Kelly & the crew, but you must do it *before* the crew are kidnapped. You need to activate Legion & talk to him after the Derelict Reaper mission *before* touching the Galaxy Map. You'll then have time to do his mission. If you hit the map before activating Legion & getting his mission available, the crew will get kidnapped & you will not have time to do any more missions if you want to save them all.
I've not done an Insanity run yet (I think it would frustrate me too much!), but I've read that that section is *the worst* one in the whole game on Insanity. If you can get through that, the rest is apparently straight forward enough.
Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
More DLC on the 6th April:
New team member "Kasumi", a human thief, will bring the team up to 12. She comes with a loyalty mission ("Kasumi's Stolen Memory"), the "Locust" SMG, loyalty power, & an Achievement.
Re: Mass Effect 2 (360/PC) [No Spoilers unless within Spoiler Tags!]
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Originally Posted by Matt D
More DLC on the 6th April:
New team member "Kasumi", a human thief, will bring the team up to 12. She comes with a loyalty mission ("Kasumi's Stolen Memory"), the "Locust" SMG, loyalty power, & an Achievement.
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